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Multiple 170/171's? - j2klbs - 09-15-2013

I was curious. Can one issue multiple 170/171's on a turn to increase the chances that the PC will be taken?

~Jason


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - j2klbs - 09-16-2013

Since there's been no response, let me clarify.

Let's say I have a group outside a town with two wizards capable of casting Diplomacy (#171). I don't see anything in the rules that limits me to one attempt. Can I cast #171 two times so that in case the first one fails the second one might succeed? An addendum question is could I do a normal diplomacy (#170) followed by my two #171's? Can I do multiple #170's followed by multiple #171's?

Thanks!
~Jason


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - Yellowbeard - 09-16-2013

While I've never tried it, I don't see any reason why it would fail. It makes complete sense to me.


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - Cipher - 09-16-2013

There would be no reason to do this, there is no random element to 170/171


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - j2klbs - 09-17-2013

Thanks Cipher! Very interesting!

So, since there is no random element, can you share what the formula is? For example, in my experience a power 3 wizard with 3 brigades will successfully #171 a friendly city. How many brigades would it take for wizards of different power levels to take a friendly city? What about towns? In short, is a chart or formula you could share?

Thanks!
~Jason


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - Iatronas - 09-17-2013

If that document is out there, I'd like to see it as well (since I'm playing the WA in the new 113 game)! I have a general, but formulae are always appealing.


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - Hawk_ - 09-17-2013

(09-17-2013, 09:53 AM)Iatronas Wrote: If that document is out there, I'd like to see it as well (since I'm playing the WA in the new 113 game)! I have a general, but formulae are always appealing.

If players collectively pooled 170/171 data we could probably determine the formula.

If anyone wants to send me data I will build a database and return it to anyone who participates.

dbeitz@yahoo.com


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - VballMichael - 09-17-2013

yikes, so the players with data will share the info with each other and have even that much more info than the newbs?


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - kevindusi - 09-17-2013

(09-17-2013, 04:34 PM)VballMichael Wrote: yikes, so the players with data will share the info with each other and have even that much more info than the newbs?

I'm pretty sure if you ask Hawk he'll shoot it to you as well. Generally speaking most of the players are very happy to share stuff like this.


RE: Multiple 170/171's? - Hawk_ - 09-17-2013

(09-17-2013, 04:38 PM)kevindusi Wrote:
(09-17-2013, 04:34 PM)VballMichael Wrote: yikes, so the players with data will share the info with each other and have even that much more info than the newbs?

I'm pretty sure if you ask Hawk he'll shoot it to you as well. Generally speaking most of the players are very happy to share stuff like this.

I pretty much send everybody anything I have. My position is that unless we share info with new players they will quit and the game will die off.

If there is anything I can help with let me know.

That said, I haven't received any 170/171 data from anyone yet. All I have are my own experiences. I don't have enough data to define the formula yet.